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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Great question, CLIFF, and nice to see something that might put us back on DEAD track (apologies for being a prime offender with respect to nonDEAD diversions of late...hope it hasn't been a contributing factor to the absence of the likes of LiA and others).

I am of mixed feelings on TC, inclined to agree with Rob, but also recognizing that with our boys it is very difficult to determine the precise contributions of folks separated from the driving force of Jerry, Phil and Hunter (at least I see the three of them as more central than the rest).

EG, think of the trs of 67 to 68: much of the music of the two primary "suites", signatures of my beloved early era, are largely intact and in place in the concert rotation by fall of 68, prior to TC's arrival. In many respects, the move from "Pigs Dance Hall Band" of 66 & 67 has been achieved by summer of 68 (to whatever we want to term them--epitome of SF area psychadelic sound, etc.).

We have spoken many times about possible shortcomings of PP's organ contributions to DS, and yet also recognize the great interplay he has with Jerry's leads in the opening verses of the OOne (fully apparent on TFTVault recordings, Aug, 68). Now, we find that PP clearly is not critical to the suites when his absence still allows the production of two legendary shows, 12-13 Oct 68 (though they reveal the importance of Bob, as has been discussed previously).

If we take the approach of how did the music change with the switch from one player (PP) to another (TC) on keys as the bottom line, can anyone argue that the suites of Dec and Jan (68-69) are in large measure MUCH better than those of Aug to Oct of 68? I do in fact think they are getting better, but is it significantly different? Is TC really making a huge diff to the sound?

Now, this is where my inability to clearly distinguish the keys (as LiA notes, often due to being low in the mix) prevents me from making intelligent assessments of just how keybd playing changes during this period, BUT I think with LiA's help, there have been a number of shows discussed previously where some of TC's improved playing adds substantially to the production of the suites (but also that he at times could be as "plink-plink-plink...plinkity-plink plink" as PP during DS) but I don't think that I would say he fundamentally alters them...?

You can also use the same analytic approach by examing how much did the suites change after TC's departure. Well, since many of us consider 70 the best or at least "top three" of all "years", it seems safe to conclude that TC's loss similarly did not fundamentally derail the boys and where they were going. On this point though, I think Rob's comments are pertinent: the acoustic "Americana" directions evident on Work/AmBeauty were not the "fit" for TC that the early era psych/suites complexes were. So, TC's departure did coincide with a change in course for the boys that was predisposed to minimize the impact of his loss? Methinks.

So, I used to feel that TC's contribution was huge, and that it was vital to the development of the boys to replace PP's keys with someone more accomplished...I still think that, but I have concluded it wasn't as dramatic as it might have seemed because of the coincidence of the changes the boys were already going thru (again, they had developed the suites before he arrived; they had dumped PP before he arrived; etc.; they were moving this direction already, and he was just a better fit...conversely, his departure was associated with a shift that minimized his loss).

As always, none of this was "planned" and it all just "worked out" it seems to me (as we have discussed so many times--the "animal" that was the DEAD was almost self or un-directed and attempts at change/organization/direction by any particular members playing the role of "leader", such as them firing PP and Bob, were usually ineffective.

There, does that make up for a few days of nonDEAD drivel? Lots of DEAD related drivel instead?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Good stuff, WT (and Earl also).

Can I just take you up on one point?

"think of the trs of 67 to 68: much of the music of the two primary "suites", signatures of my beloved early era, are largely intact and in place in the concert rotation by fall of 68, prior to TC's arrival".

TC joined the touring band in November 68, sure, but he was involved in the Anthem studio sessions back in 67. My feeling is that he and his long time buddy Phil were the main movers on the psychedelic experimental front whereas Garcia, as Earl points out, was happier playing tunes (Anthem was "far out, too far out...") and Pigpen was a straightforward blues guy.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 2, 2009 8:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

I'm not up on the inclusion and ultimate exclusion of TC, but of interest is that Ned Lagin and Howard Wales show up on American Beauty playing keys. The fact that Ned shows up and subsequently does the Phil and Ned thing in '74 tells me that Phil's interest in experimental music didn't end with TC.

PP obviously had a limited vocabulary on keys, and IMO rather than the lumbering beast chewing him up and spitting him out, no decision had to be made regarding his length of service in the band as his health waned. Garcia's comment regarding the GD as being Pig's band at the funeral was obviously another way to slough off being considered the "leader."

In any case, both TC and PP were probably fodder for the machine somewhere along the line. In retrospect, it never seems like the band had much respect for keyboard players.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Earl - I didn't mean to imply at all that Phil's interest in experimenting faded with TC's deperture. I think that in many ways Phil continued to drive the onstage experimentation that still went on, but as far as the studio was concerned the creative impetus swung definitively towards the Garcia/Hunter songwriting axis.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Crap!? That's a slam dunk, in my face correction that ABSOLUTELY flies in the face of much of my theorem on the initial input/impact...can't believe that with all my interest in Anth-->Beauty, and such, that I dropped the ball on that critical timeline aspect.

Hmmm--the good news is I can resurrect my initial impression of TC as important!

Excellent catch, scribemaster!

I was just thinking that they went in, did it, and it was out all in the same year (68), but even that was in error...IE, since it was released in June or so (right?), whatever they did predated the Aug-Oct timeline I was babbling on about.

And, I am sure you are right--it was sometime in Nov or Dec of 67 that they began the long, and complicated (funny at times) studio ordeal that turned out Anthem...

So, TC was a larger part of the evolution earlier than I suggest above...

[damn...early era fan gets put in his place...hope Miss D ain't reading this too closely!]

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 9:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Put you in your place? Would I have the blue-eyed nerve, noble boltslinger? Hey, I'm enjoying this - makes a change to have a substantial back and forth. Vote of thanks to Cliff!

I think Anthem was released July 18 (I stand ready to be corrected). So is there a possibility that TC going on the road a few months later was because they wanted to recreate the experimental studio sound on stage? I'm talking through my hat, I know.

By the way, did you know there were a handful of fairly recent TC shows here on the Archive? Haven't listened myself so can't express an opinion on them.

http://www.archive.org/details/TomConstanten

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Funny about him...I was talking with my oldest brother a short time ago (he was 18 in 67; saw all the bands in SF regularly, etc...he's the one I mention having stated Moby Grape was widely considered the "best" at the time and that most of the folks put the DEAD at somewhere between 5th to 10th of SF groups...), and he mentioned what "dumbasses" many of the musicians were (quite distinct from talent if you will). He gave as an example some of the fellows he knew well in various bands, and how a handful of them had just give everything up, dropped out, and moved south to LA to immerse themselves in Scientology (my bro argued this is a clear indication of stupidity...I tend to agree...sorry if any of you are secretly Tom Cruise or John Travolta).

The only reason I mention it is I think this is about the time that TC got into it (right?)...I wonder if he dropped out with the boys in part because of this interest?

Good exchange--but where' everybody else?

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Nov 2, 2009 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

I think TC was getting better and better, and contributing more and more, right up until he left. In particular, early '70 shows such as January 2nd, feature TC loud, large and in charge (at least of the keyboards). He doesn't sound like Pig, Keith, or anyone else they ever had... and I like his unique style. He might not have fit in with the later countrified material anyway, so he may have left at the perfect time...?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Yep! You and HeLives, I think, have championed that show, and it is one of the best for showcasing TC...that has the bouncey DWolf that Rob found for me, right? The "sing along" one I was searching for only to find he'd mentioned it esp some time ago? Anyhow, on that version and many other tunes he is very evident...comes thru on some of the 68 Dec shows I believe as well, like Bellarmine if memory serves.

Good to see ya SCB! It's been lots of fun around here lately, all the better with folks such as your self chiming in when you can...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Nov 2, 2009 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Same back at ya! :) That is indeed the show with the singalong Wolf... and TC is tootling along very prominently. The DS/SS/11/LL suite is particularly juicy at that show too... :D

"This is a song with an easy chorus. You can even sing along to it... it's fun!" -Jer, 'Dire Wolf,' 1/2/70

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 2, 2009 8:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

I agree, Constanten was getting better & bolder through '69.
Although, with all those shows, it would be more surprising if he hadn't!
He is more subdued in early '69, which makes sense - to hear him tell it, he had no rehearsals, bad instruments, no sound monitoring, a "sink or swim" band attitude....
Which sounds rather antagonistic actually, but I think perhaps it was a vote of confidence - "here, we know you're up to this" - after all, the Dead had a daredevil mentality in those days.
They seem to have changed their minds later on, since we have pretour "break in the new guy" rehearsals for both Keith and Brent.

As Tell said, Constanten left at just the right time - in fact I think it was no coincidence. They were ready to record Workingman's - I can see him flashing back to the Anthem/Aox sessions and thinking, "oh no, it's gonna take them months to get Dire Wolf just right! I'd better get out now..."

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Nov 2, 2009 10:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

When in reality, didn't they whip out Workingman's in record time?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2009 4:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Right; besides, he was channeling Thetans as well as Thick Air for Bob...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

I wondered myself about the Scientology angle (and agree with your sentiments regarding L. Ron's cynical little moneyspinner). I think he was into it around 1970(?) and maybe that didn't sit well with the rest of the band. He also refused to take LSD, which might have left him a little out of things too. Still, Nicky Hopkins was also a Scientologist and he was pretty cool, being pretty much a JGB founder member - so really I don't know!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Hopkins!? Wow--he was a primary member of the JGB lineup I saw most often in the mid 70s as I recall, and I always liked him as well...hmmm, I always am surprised to find out someone was/is a member of that "religion", but they do seem to crop up everywhere...of course, given my background, I am esp put off by the name, if you follow me (was it an attempt to suggest they are more "reality" based than other religions? As whacky as that sounds...but perhaps that is LRon's thinking behind the "measurement of thetan levels" (sp? is that what "they" are called? I get most of my info on them from South Park, so I could be way off).

I wonder if any members are Forumites?

Well? Anyone going to fess up after Rob and I insulted you?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Scientology Primer ala South Park

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1529878/southpark_vs_scientology/

Like he said, for many South Park was the original Wikipedia

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scientology Primer ala South Park

I will say they provide up to date social commentary...fun, but educational too.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Nov 2, 2009 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scientology Primer ala South Park

I love those Boys too*S*, I actually have a cabin in the real South Park, CO.

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Nov 2, 2009 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scientology Primer ala South Park

All of this scientology talk has given me the urge to jump up and down on my couch while yelling how much I love my wife while watching Oprah.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Nov 2, 2009 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scientology Primer ala South Park

Or how about how much you love Oprah while watching your wife???

;)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 3, 2009 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scientology Primer ala South Park

He may not come around often, but when he does he makes it count.


Good one Cush. Started my day off with a laugh.

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Nov 4, 2009 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scientology Primer ala South Park

Either one it's the same punishment

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Allegedly, according to Scientology doctrine the galactic ruler Xenu brought billions of people to Earth 75 million years ago, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living, which is to say 'us', I imagine.

You can kind of see why Ron was a bust as a science fiction writer.

As a student I went to the local Scientology chapterhouse (or whatever they call it) curious to see what was what. Giving the covername of 'Paul Kantner'(don't ask why - but never queried) I went through the initial interview process and came away convinced that they hadn't a clue.

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Poster: skies Date: Nov 3, 2009 5:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

No kiddin ! Scientology believes a Xenu dude brought people from outer space here just to blow them to pieces , millions of years ago ?Ouawh , ROBthewordsmith, I had never heard of that yet and it sounds hilarious !Frankly it could have been more economical to dump them all in space afewmiles from Xenu 's backyard and watch them all pop like popcorns , no bombs needed .That said , with billions of galaxies , it is logical there are many other beings out there , somo better , some worse , than those down here . Here being a rather weird place anyway ,with millions of years for dinosaurs, then in the span of a few millenum of Humans ,we have computers , telephones, planes , cars , etc .I could understand that smart aliens might not want to relate to people who have mostly rotten leaders as politics worldwide , but what about the meanies liens? Wouldn't they have fun messing up this place just a little bit more ?Methought that we may be in quarantine here , to be sorted out at the exit , and some sort of tough regulators making sure some will never pass beyond checkpoints .A theory among others , of course !

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Poster: jfmlll Date: Nov 3, 2009 5:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

I found in 2006 the Protein binding if you inflate it and if you bubble over it you can disinfect many instrument like microscope and virus.And I found too in 2006 the rats and all the animal of laboratory was from the KGB.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 3, 2009 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Appliantologists around here?

I prefer the Joe's Garage version

L Ron Hoover's First Church of Appliantology

http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/A_Token_Of_My_Extreme

JOE:
Some people think
That if they go too far
They'll never get back
To where the rest of them are
I might be crazy
But there's one thing I know
You might be surprised
At what you find when ya go!

(And thus, having rationalized his expedition to L. Ron's modernistic office / cathedral / warehouse / condominium complex, JOE seeks the answer to his problem.)

JOE:
Oh oh oh, Mystical Advisor
What is my problem, tell me, can you see?

L. RON HOOVER:
Well, you have nothing to fear, my son!
You are a Latent Appliance Fetishist, It appears to me!

JOE:
That all seems very, very strange
I never craved a toaster or a color T. V.

L. RON HOOVER:
A Latent Appliance Fetishist is a person who refuses to admit to his or herself
That sexual gratification can only be achieved through the use of MACHINES...
Get the picture?

JOE:
Are you telling me
I should come out of the closet now Mr. Ron?

L. RON HOOVER:
No, my son! You must go into THE CLOSET
And you will have a lot of fun!
That's where they all live
So if you want an appliance to love you
You'll have to go in there n' get you one

JOE:
Well...that seems simple enough...

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Poster: buscameby Date: Nov 3, 2009 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Appliantologists around here?

"but I got the crystal ball"

is that a real poncho or a sears poncho?

*S*

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 3, 2009 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Never been a Scientologist, but I've lived in Hollywood for almost thirty years and am familiar with some of their many brands of craziness. I've also been in recovery for a long time (AA, NA), and know that people like Nicky Hopkins (also reportedly Travolta, and many others) get sucked into Scientology because they have a famous drug & alcohol rehab program (Narconon, TM) that supposedly really works. It's all top secret of course - nobody knows anything about it - but supposedly it works.

Also, like their "auditing" program, it gives them a ton of power, in the form of knowing everybody's most shameful secrets. This is what they say keeps most of the high-profile members in line; if you leave or speak against them, they can and will destroy you.

If you really want to know, this seems to be the best "expose" site ...

http://www.xenu.net/

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 3, 2009 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Also Nicky didn't get into Scientology until the 80's, long after his involvement with JG.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 2, 2009 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

They had a sweet-spot type location across from Univ of Texas campus, downtown Austin. I lived and worked nearby, and I walked by everyday. They actively recruited students and other "hipsters." When I was working at my last TV station in Albuquerque recently, they made a big splash in the desert there.

Scientologists have a secret compound in New Mexico
Trementina Base
PH2005112601066.jpg

here's another cool YouTube clip with TC comping Jer
Playboy after Dark intro, Mountains of the Moon

Heffner: Jerry, The Grateful Dead has been a part of the San Francisco scene for 4 or 5 years. Is the Hippie Scene changing now?
Garcia: Yeah, we're all big people now...
Heffner: A summer ago they held a funeral for Hippie-dom...
Garcia: Right. That was all of us saying we're not gonna tell anybody anymore.
Heffner: I noticed here you've got a stereo effect going with drums. You've got 2 drummers. Obviously for a purpose.
Garcia: Mutual annihilation.
Heffner: I see. The guys kind of compete with each other.
Garcia: They chase each other around. It's like the serpent that eats its own tail. It goes 'round and 'round like that. If you can stand inbetween them, they make big figure-8s on their sides in your head.



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Poster: buscameby Date: Nov 2, 2009 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

First let me say I am NOT.

I have had my exploration into many esoteric traditions though, which I was led to through our favorite bands Egyptian images.

I just have to say that I have only been warned to STAY AWAY from one group, Scientology.

L Ron was a member of a legitimate group of Seekers prior to starting Scientology, which I have studied with. I can see how he perverted a legitimate path to potential liberation for personal gain in my humble experience, which is one of the worst perversions of the Path.

There are as many Paths as there are sentient beings and each will have its own risk and rewards but some like Scientology will have there own unique repercussions.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 2, 2009 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Are they the ones that say a higher being had a human child that was nailed to the cross, left for dead, got up and ascended into the heavens and now we all have a get out of hell free card? If so, sign me up!

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Poster: buscameby Date: Nov 2, 2009 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Sorry no free rides , "freedom with responsibility".

The wheel is turning and it comes back around*S*.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 1:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Hey bus--appreciate the candor...don't let that irreverent drivel above alter things too much...esp that of the likes of Blue Devil, in which the handle speaks for itself.

Eh?

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Poster: buscameby Date: Nov 2, 2009 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

I didn't take any of it as negative.

I don't feel like I had many choices, I got hit by a bus 25 years ago this week, smashed out the window of the bus, was thrown 30 ft and walked away unhurt.

I was then invited to the Greek 20th Anniversary shows where I the big event of the weekend was the 1st Cryptical in 13 yrs. I had been experimenting for many years but never had the type of experience I had that day. It was the beginning of a incredible 25 years which I celebrate every day.

Life IS MAGICAL suck every drop of the sweet marrow!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Sometimes, that's what it takes...this is going to sound terribly cynical, but having been thru three live changing events, it's starting to get old...each one, I thought, was the last! Damn it...this in NO WAY is meant to detract from the seriousness of what you went thru, Bus...just that I hoped to only do it myself...ONCE!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 2, 2009 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Careful PM, my theta reading is off the charts! (and I was able to charge most of the expenses for obtaining this higher level to my AMEX card)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Ha! That is too frickin funny! Ah...well, here I sit worried about my Lakers, and surprised that no one has popped the bubble that IS the Suns...time will tell.

Shaq, I don't think, is working out in his new digs either.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

While the Suns have their Bubble to deal with, I cant wait to see how the Celts pan out this season. Seeing Wallace, Pierce and Garnett coming down the court at me would be a bit unnerving.
I know, someone out there must have a good joke about Mr. Davis and his broken finger. What an idiot.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Shelden "The Landlord" Williams is exceedingly thankful to him for Big Baby's dumb move. Thus far, getting good minutes and giving quality production.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

In all honesty, as a transatlantically challenged member of this 'umble community, I have to say that I find such remarks as opaquely occult as anything formulated by the Golden Hermeneutical Scientological Akands of Swat.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Ha! Yep, BD, SDH and I have to submit/admit to being members of the "sports is religion" community of misfits...Dire too no doubt, but he roots for the PATS (who SUCK!), so we'll leave him out of it for now...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

... he said despairingly.

Actually basketball and ice hockey I can watch and enjoy, but (American) football and baseball don't make a lot of sense to me. Guess I need to sit through a game with someone knowledgeable who can do me a play-by-play.

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Poster: snori Date: Nov 3, 2009 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

Sprinting in from Third Man to gather SDH's miscued (Dead)hook. I've been mad about cricket since I was a kid going to watch Kent CCC with my Dad and his brothers (the early days of Knott and Underwood).

Usually get to some days of Test matches, but not this year as a result of Edgbaston reducing the number of tickets individuals can buy. Saw the Aussies against England A at Worcester, but it was too much of a friendly. Equally happy watching a Sunday afternoon game though.

Is that enough ? I'm off to listen to Roy Harper's magnificent 'When an old cricketer leaves the crease' followed by 'Soul Limbo'.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 3, 2009 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

I think the sole reason that baseball was "invented" here was to come up with a sport with more rules than cricket. We'll show them Royalists! I mean, does cricket have anything close to a balk or the infield fly rule (look it up, tea-bagger)?
Then, of course, football came along and just blew 'em all out of the water.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 3, 2009 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

I like the fact that when the NFL played a game in London a few years back that many over there thought that the "breaks" between plays was for the sole purpose of showing TV commercials.


...and I still think India was wrong to cancel their tour in Australia (but what do I know)

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Poster: snori Date: Nov 3, 2009 8:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

All is explained ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJCqECUmx44&;feature=related

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Nov 3, 2009 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

I prefer Cricket to any other sport. Try finding broadcasts in the U.S. though... ha! :( I did hear about the long-awaited win at The Ashes though...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 3, 2009 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

"...with someone knowledgeable who can do me..."

C'mon, Rob. That one is just too easy. Even for me.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 3, 2009 6:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

Why, SDH, did I say something wrong? Isn't play-by-play what you sportsboys call it? Or is it ball-by ball?

:-)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 3, 2009 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

I think it best if we just leave the balls out of it.

And speaking of cricket, this may be my favorite name for a sports themed webiste:
http://wowbagger.blog.co.uk/tags/cricket/

Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged my be the best character produced by English literature in the past 50 years.


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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 3, 2009 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

"I reserve the absolute privilege to be right, wrong, misinformed, arbitrary, imbecilic and inarticulate. And anyone who chooses to read my blog has the right to tell me I am any or all of the above and I have the right not to give a fuck, but you never know, I just might?"

Substitute 'posts' for blog - and that would cover most of what goes on here.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 3, 2009 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

Oh, isn't that the truth.

I think the word "blog" (I hesitate to call it a word, but I have long given up on the hope that the English language can be saved) can best be summed up by that fine gentlemen's statement, regardless of the site's theme. Kudos to him.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 3, 2009 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

On one of my trips to London I was invited to watch day 2 of a test between England and Pakistan (before their coach was murdered). I spent the day at Lord's with some club members and even got into the members box at one point. It took a while to catch on to what was going on and what the strategies were, but by the end of the day i knew what an LBW was and why it was bad. England had a great day, although the test ended in draw. I find it hard to accept that a 5 day match of anything can end in a tie. Just doesn't seem proper or maybe it was too proper. Regardless the night before my flight back to the States I found myself in a hotel bar near the airport and I was watching one of those crazy tests from the Bahamas. Some other Yanks were there and apparently noticed that I seemed to be paying attention so they asked me to explain the game. In the lab we call it, "see one, do one, teach one."

Now the real spectacle at Lord's was the tremendous alcohol consumption. That was harder to comprehend than the sport.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 3, 2009 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

It's very hard to explain to a cricketing non-believer just how it can be possible to hold a sporting contest over five days and still not determine a winner. But, as snori I'm sure would agree, seeing one team, with no chance of victory themselves dig in to play for a draw and frustrate the other team's chances can be pretty nailbiting.

And yes, we are prone to put away heroic quantities of alcohol at the slightest provocation. And that's why we're running close to 9000 alcohol-related deaths a year in this country. (Said the man with the gin and tonic...)

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Poster: snori Date: Nov 3, 2009 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

If it were not for the copious amounts of alcohol consumed (Guilty) there would have been an epidemic of cardiac arrests at Cardiff on Day 5 of the First Test this year. (Anderson and Panesar).

I'm hoping for tickets for the Australia V Pakistan games being played here next summer.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 23, 2010 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any cricket fans around here?

LOL 00 the skinnies! 00

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Nov 3, 2009 6:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Shaq is doing fine, As soon as coaches finger out how to utilize him and Zadruonas Ig ( hell Big Z ).Granted the Cavs aren't off to the 17-0 start they posted a year ago, But as soon as we get a rotation down, the minutes that see Big Z and Shaq on the floor together will def be a an eye opener to the dreaded Celts,They (Cavs) will only get better and gel as the season progresses, Of course I've said the same about the Browns many a pre-seasons so all I can say WT is witness.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 3, 2009 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scientologists meet the NBA

I wish Shaq well--I hope he fits in better with James than he did here with Nash, and I really want to believe he'll help them defeat the absolutely dreaded Celtics (if memory serves, Dire is about the only Forum supporter of the boys in green that bring disgrace to the color of my ancestors...McGl and I loathe them for that and so much more [actually, taking liberties there with the big fella, but he usually lets me speak for him on all matters of B-ball esp when Dire is involved]).

But, for now, Shaq is all talk and PR, not unlike the Amare he left behind here...what we needed was D, and the Shaq of old might have provided that, but not the Shaq of law and order...

Good luck to you and your Browns, and Cavs, hippster! At least until we meet you in the finals as BD predicted last yr...

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Nov 3, 2009 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Scientologists meet the NBA

I do secrectly harbor doubts regarding Shaqs ability to play solid D, If the man could hit a free throw I could easily overlook it, and do a good job pretending that its all golden in Cav land But.... back to the Dead.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

How can you seriously ponder the NBA when the World Series is still going on and college hoops hasn't officially begun? The only two words I care about right now in hoops are HARRISON BARNES. I pay attention to the NBA starting around the third week of April.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Understood...I'll get back to you. And, good luck with that...har, har.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 2, 2009 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Damn it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxk7fl7-MiU

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

bus - some clarification if you will, please. What was this 'legitimate group of seekers' of which Hubbard was a member? So far as I know he was a pulp sf writer before (and after) publishing Dianetics. So what was this 'Path' he supposedly perverted for personal gain?

"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." L. Ron Hubbard passim.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

He was a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn,one the US Temples.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

The modern day Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was founded in 1977, long after LRH created Scientology. Hubbard was notorious for lying about his past, such as medals he never earned during his Naval career.

Then again, if you're willing to believe the Earth was created in 6 days, and a virgin birth, then Xenu and Thetan levels aren't so far-fetched.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

So is that the same occult order founded in Britain at the end of the 19th century that Aleister Crowley and WH Auden were members of? Couldn't have been the US revival of the organisation because that wasn't founded until 1977.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Yes the same group originally but some members moved here to fulfill the American "Promise", this country was founded by "Cultist", all the stuff you see about Mason's and Templer's is based in some reality*S*.

Most were just trying to see themselves and their countries live up to our real promise as human beings. To remember who and what we really are and to live up to those values which make us truly "gods in the body of God".

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Did you ever read the Illuminatus trilogy by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson? A most enlightening work.

All hail Discordia!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 2, 2009 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Every Slacker devoted to the Church of the Subgenius owes Mr. Wilson a great debt of gratitude.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 2, 2009 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

don't see the fnord, don't see the fnord...

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Poster: buscameby Date: Nov 2, 2009 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

I've read all his works, a brilliant mind and sharp wit!

I found a few interviews with him on youtube, its a shame he died so early.

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Poster: Misty Eastwood Date: Nov 2, 2009 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

I had teenage sex with a Scientologist.... We were both at Winterland atleast 3 times a week back then. Even did a not-so-quickly in the Basement around 1976. BGP props everywhere provided an ambiance only second to "The Wall".

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 2, 2009 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: any Scientologists around here?

Stay away from the Twelve Tribes too.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 3, 2009 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

This one sounds pretty good. I started streaming to see what it sounded like with the expectation that I would not make it through the first song or two -- well I'm up to Eyes of the World and must say I am pleasantly surprised. I could certainly think of worse bands to listen to at a Best Western

http://www.archive.org/details/tc2007-01-12..flac16

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 3, 2009 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

I admire your DEADication. No doubt I'll get around to giving it a listen myself one day!

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Poster: cush212 Date: Nov 2, 2009 4:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten's contribution to the Grateful Dead?

Not related... Looks like the warmer weather has put some wind back in your lungs (fingers) my dear Brother Tell!!!

Related, I liked TC in the band...

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